Tech Clinic #5: Copy Number Determination for Plasmid Standard Curves |
We received the following question from Bitesize Bio reader, Beheroze Sattha. It relates to a problem with absolute quantification using plasmids for standard curves. Since many people use this technique it is an interesting one question for us to explore, and it also gives us a great opportunity to cover some important tips for performing qPCR with a new template for standard curves.
Question:
I would like your help to assign copy numbers to plasmid standard dilutions. I cloned a portion of the mitochondrial D-loop gene and after plasmid prep of a single clone made serial dilutions (1:10). In my lab previously they would do a lightcycler run on those serial dilutions using SYBR Green and then assign copy numbers based on the crossing points. The theory used was that a crossing point (CP) of 32.7 would be equal to 10 copies. So the dilution closest to CP of 32.7 would be 10 copies with increasing 10 fold copies for the earlier dilutions (because I had made 1:10 serial dilutions: 1:10, 1:100, 1:1000, etc.
Then I learned from a co-worker that it is better to use the following website:
http://www.uri.edu/research/gsc/resources/cndna.html
So I entered the nanodrop reading of the undiluted plasmid standard and the length of template (TOPO vector and length of my insert) and got the copy number.
The problem is that there is a 10 fold difference between these two methods. 1:1000 dilution of the plasmid standard gives me 8.44E7 copies using the website and 9.99E6 using lightcycler CP.
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Thanks for your question!
There are a couple things to keep in mind here and I think you’ll be able to solve this problem.
1- The standard curve results and crossing point or Cq numbers are not going to be identical every time. You didn’t mention whether the original standard curve data was performed with the cloned gene or with gDNA or with the PCR product for the gene itself. If the original standard curves were determined with one type of template and now you have a plasmid template, there will be a difference. Even a change of 1 cycle can have a big effect in absolute quantification.
2- Have you checked the efficiency of the plasmid template? How does it compare to the efficiency of the template used to generate the previous standard curve? If they are different, the quantification will be different. Ideally you want the efficiency to be above 90%. If the efficiency is below 80%, you won’t want to use this data and you may need to redesign the primers or optimize the chemistry or running times.
2- Every time you order new primers or a new enzyme kit (of a different lot#), you will want to repeat the standard curve results because the numbers can shift. As long as PCR efficiency is high, the data will be accurate, but the Cq may very well be different with new reagents.
3- If you used a plasmid for a standard curve, did you linearize it for qPCR? Many people report that using supercoiled plasmid for standards can cause some variance in results. Try linearizing it first. Here is a recent publication on the subject.
4- When calculating the copy numbers, you may use the length of the PCR amplicon or the entire plasmid. When using the website above, if you use the size of just the amplicon as your input, make sure to adjust the amount of DNA going in to reflect the proportion of the plasmid (see the example in the comments). If you do not, your reading will be 10 fold off.
5- Make sure your negative controls are negative. Working with plasmids can be tricky because they can easily contaminate solutions. Make sure you have negative controls that are not amplifying because this will boost the real samples and result in inaccurate quantification.
6- Always do the melt curve analysis when using SYBR green and make sure you amplified a single product. Amplification from dimers will add fluorescence and result in an artificially low Cq. You can remedy this by performing an extra data acquisition step at a temperature above where the dimers melt and below where the real product melts. Alternatively, you may want to redesign the primers if dimer formation occurs even in samples with the highest amount of plasmid.
7- With plasmids, it is easy to overload the reaction and have Cq values so early that the detection won’t be accurate. Some instruments have a pre-set baseline setting where they subtract any fluorescent signals generated too early, assuming it is background noise. If you have too much signal in cycles 1-10, this can happen. You don’t want to have samples coming up early so dilute until the first sample has a Cq of 15-18. The subtraction of strong fluorescence in the early cycles will cause all of the data from the more dilute samples to shift right, causing later Cq values than what they are.
Summary:
When using a new plasmid as a standard in qPCR, do an efficiency check first and compare to the efficiency of the previous assay. For best results, an assay needs to have >90% efficiency, although there are formulas you can use that normalize for differences in efficiency. It is not uncommon that the Ct values are not exactly the same from user to user and from assay to assay for the same gene but with different primers. Just make sure that when calculating copy numbers, you are using the length of the template being amplified and not the entire plasmid which is probably 30 fold bigger than the template and could be the cause of the 10 fold difference in copy number results between the two methods you are comparing. Finally, it’s always good to re-check your standard curve with each new purchase of reagents to make sure no new variables are introduced that could throw off the quantification and make months of work unusable.
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Doug
Thanks for this post. I’m in the middle of the same thing myself.
With regards to point #4, I believe the linked site is providing a calculation for the starting template assuming one amplicon per strand of DNA. If this is correct, you would want to use the total DNA fragment size rather than the amplicon size.
Am I reading this wrong?
Suzanne
Hi Doug,
I think you could do it either way- you could enter in the total template size (ex. 3000 bp) or the length of the amplicon (150 bp) and it would calculate the number of copies per ng of the DNA.
But I understand the problem which is that when calculating the amoung of ng going in, that includes the backbone of the plasmid.
If you have a 3000bp plasmid and let’s say 300 bp of it is insert and you add in 1 ng, then only 0.1ng was actually the target. So in this way, the calculation will be off.
The standard curve could be based on copy numbers of the actual plasmid and then the Ct values are equated with the absolute concentration of whole plasmid and not just the amplicon. This would be accurate. So then the question is whether the original standard curve was generated with the same plasmid and insert or something else. If it was something else, it would explain why the values are different.
I’ll check this point with someone else to be sure.
Lindsey
We have been having some debate in our lab on whether it is better to linear the plasmid DNA prior to getting the concentration by spec OR to spec the DNA then linearize before the PCR.
Any comments?
Suzanne
Hi Lindsey,
I would say check the yield again after linearization if you are going to also perform a DNA clean up such as with a kit or with phenol: chloroform and precipitation. Especially with a kit, the yield will change a bit since recovery tends to be 80-90%.
So for the best accuracy, you would want to check it again.
If you are going to heat inactivate the restriction enzyme and then are diluting the plasmid down so far that the buffer and enzyme do not inhibit, then I would not re-spec because the salts and enzyme will throw it off and the amount of DNA in the reaction has not changed.
The concentration should be identical whether the plasmid is circular or linear.
What is the split in your lab debate? What do you think?
Suzanne
Suzanne
Suzanne
Hi Doug,
I consulted an expert/friend Jack Gallup and he explained:
The on-line tool requires that you put the entire length of whatever it is that contains your target of interest. If a plasmid contains the target, you put the ng and bp length of the whole plasmid (including insert) in, and if an amplicon contains your target, you put the ng and bp length of the amplicon.
E.g. if you have 1000 ng of a 5033 bp plasmid (of which 771 is the insert)
You can either use 1000 ng and 5033 bp for the entries, or you can use (771/5033)*1000 = 153.189 ng and 771 bp
You get the same answer either way.
Perhaps people are forgetting to adjust the “ng” parameter when they enter only the insert bp. Since moles and ng are always connected,one always needs to adjust the ng parameter when adjusting the length parameter.
But, still the final answer here is 2X off for dsDNA plasmid target insert copy calculations …
It is a good tool – but people need to be sure to adjust the ng parameter accordingly, and multiply by 2 for plasmid target copy caclulation …
jack
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Thanks Jack- I am going to adjust my wording in point 4 above.
Suzanne
Roberto
Great topic Suzanne!
Dr. Gallup’s advice is to the point as always. I’d just want to put things in perspective (again following his reasoning): when the target is double-stranded DNA too (gDNA), the 2X discrepancy kind of resolves itself in definitions.
You’ll say “the sample contained X copies of the dsDNA target”, and while the PCR system actually worked on 2X copies of the target sequence (both on samples and standards), your affirmation is still valid, because by “copies of dsDNA targets” you would mean “number of target pairs” PCR-wise, so to speak. When performing RT-qPCR though, the initial cDNA only had one DNA strand per target copy, so it starts at a 1/2 disadvantage with the dsDNA plasmid template – hence the 2x factor.
Lindsey
Hi Suzanne,
The split is 2:2. Personally I spec the DNA (intact, circular plasmids), perform a digest and PCR to check the insert is present and correct, then linearize the DNA and finally make my standard dilutions. This has always worked well for me.
Thanks for your post.